Amar Karim, Writer and Scream Super Fan

Liam Heffernan: On today's episode of the Friday film club, I'm joined by AMA Kareem, who is a huge film fan. He loves horror, and you will hear him as the occasional cohost of the screen podcast with Ryan showers, who coincidentally was also a guest on the show. So do check out that episode as well. So as you can imagine, horror comes up a little bit in the show today.

Um, but we also talk about some of his other favorite films. And of course the challenges of trying to keep up with films when you've got five kids. I do not envy him. So follow us on social ads, the Frye film club, and I hope you enjoy the show.

So AMA, uh, thank you so much for joining me on. No. Thank you

Amar Karim: for having me. Thank you for having me, Liam. It's a

Liam Heffernan: pleasure. It's been great. It's the, the wonderful, uh, Twitter verse in action as we, uh, we actually kind of introduced each other through Ryan showers, who also has a, an amazing podcast. If you haven't heard it go listen.

Yep. Yeah,

Amar Karim: Ryan. Well, yeah, Ryan's, Ryan's a person I've known for about 10 years via Twitter. So we've never actually met him in person, but we communicate loads and, um, I've always liked podcasts. So here's was the first one then. Listen to Andrew. Well, not listened to, but joined. And then I heard him join yours and I was like, oh, this will be interesting.

So, uh, thanks for having

Liam Heffernan: me. Yeah, no problem. So tell everyone a little bit about

Amar Karim: yourself. Uh, my name's Omar. I'm from Leeds in England, 41. I father of five kids. So I am pretty busy. I do enjoy films, traveling, writing, reading bit of acting on the side. So I try to keep myself busy, but.

Liam Heffernan: I was going to ask, how do you have time to watch films with five kids, but how do you have time to do any of that with five kids

Amar Karim: as you've just got to prioritize?

Honestly, you've, it's like all day long. It's just mental. It really is like the whole Malone house kids running everywhere. So we have a routine and once it hits 8:00 AM like. Get two beds and I need that meantime. So yeah, I hardly sleep to be honest. That's why I've got all this, all this gray in my bed, but it's gotta be done.

I have too many, too many passions and stuff that I liked doing. So, you know, I keep myself.

Liam Heffernan: Fair enough. And, uh, uh, like have you, have you found that you've gone to streaming a lot more? Uh,

Amar Karim: well, I did, I did run back to the cinema once they open just for the experience, but I've streamed quite a lot, to be honest.

I mean, my philosophy before hand was because of the children, let's not watch too much television, but there was a point where it was like, well, what else can we do? So I think Netflix has spoiled me. I've binge watched everything now.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have a bit of, um, uh, an embargo that on, on what you, how much TV you let your kids watch?

Amar Karim: Yes, but that kind of went out the window during lockdown. When the first broke down happened, we were in a much smaller house. So we actually moved just before the second lockdown. And luckily for us, the house that we moved to now has a garden all the way around it. So in the summer I was just like, go out and play, you know, get into your day.

So that was a relief and they've enjoyed that, but I try not to let them watch too much television, just, just for their own son that he, to be honest, I mean, even if I sit there and watch television, I just become a couch potato. So

Liam Heffernan: yeah, it's easy to get into that habit. But I was talking to my wife, uh, recently actually we, because w we're we love a bit of horror and, uh, we were discussing, you know, the, the, the future when there might be kids in our life as well.

And, um, uh, what age is it acceptable to, to share horror films with your kids and, and are there any that are just completely off limits?

Amar Karim: Right? So my, my eldest now is 15, but I think he was. 10 when we had the conjuring and I didn't allow him to watch it. And I remember his cousins had come over for the weekend and I was like, okay, you want like a slumber party?

It's fine. So I went to bed and halfway through, I just heard the screaming. So it came down to seven. We're all watching country and they're on the final scene of my. Like my, my son's cousins are a lot older, so they were loving it and he was literally behind a pillow. And I was like, Nope, you're not watching this get upstairs.

So my Delta, who's now 12 going on 13. She watches horror films with me, but the others are like two, five and seven. And I'm like, no, thank you. I think, yeah. I mean, again, it depends on each child, but I think. You know, seven is still too young though. I obviously snuck films from VHS films and watch them behind my parents' back when I was about seven.

So just to protect it just, I don't admit that to them obviously

Liam Heffernan: much harder to do though back when we were kids. Like, because there was no Netflix, you have to actually get a physical copy of something. Well,

Amar Karim: my father owned a video store, so. Yeah, and we used to live just above it. So if my dad's listening, you'll kill me, but I would go downstairs and find like Halloween.

That's where I discovered like Halloween and nightmare on Elm street. And I'd go upstairs and put them out. I'd be petrified, but I'd be so intrigued by it.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah, Joe, I always remember walking into a video store as a kid, and I remember seeing on the shelf, the VHS for child's play too. And it just had the cover was just a big closeup of Chucky's face.

And it gave me nightmares for years that, that, that just one image to stop. Well, it's,

Amar Karim: it's amazing how that happens because now that you've mentioned that, and this is not even a scary image, but if you've heard of house, the horror film house from the eighties, it was just like a zombie hand without.

Pressing a doorbell. And to me that was the creepiest thing I've ever seen. And I eventually watched the film and I was petrified of it at that age, but that was, yeah, it reminds me of what you just said about jerky. So same.

Liam Heffernan: Um, okay. Well, let's, let's dive into the questions. I have a feeling horror might come up once or twice again.

Uh, so, uh, what is your favorite film? Uh, scream,

Amar Karim: uh, surprise. Surprise. Yeah, the first screen fell. Now I thought about this and there are lots of films of that for me, just as good. But if I'm a hundred percent honest, it's the one that I go back to and revisit all the time. It's the one that wants me to become a writer.

You know, I it's just taken over my life. Uh, you can ask any of my friends, you know, there was a point where I, well, in fact, just recently, my son and I were watching it after about 10 minutes, he goes, I'm leaving, going upstairs. And I said, oh, this is the best bits of Casey Becker bet. And he goes, you're not realized that you've just called it word for word.

What's the point, me watching it. I was like, oh, sorry, I won't do that again. So yeah, I'm a bit of a screen. Do I do really like that?

Liam Heffernan: And what are your thoughts on the upcoming screen? Five or screens?

Amar Karim: Yeah. So as a screen fund, I was just ecstatic that they were making a new one. To be honest, I did have obviously some apprehension about, is it going to be good?

Are they going to mess it up? It's diff no west Craven, but now that I've seen the trailer and some additional scenes and all the promotion that's going on, I actually have high hopes for it, to be honest.

Liam Heffernan: It's very, um, very in the same vein as, as the, the predecessors in this areas. Uh, when we saw, as I actually saw the trader for the first time in the cinema, a couple of weeks back, and yeah, it was just boring.

Courtney Cox and Neve Campbell looking a little bit older than they were the first film. Yeah.

Amar Karim: Yeah. I mean, to be honest, I think I personally, I have some of atrium. And I was just excited to see them both even doing, and I've not been big, you know, do his biggest fan, but, um, I'm glad that he's back. And it does, to be honest with you, it does look very brutal even though, you know, well, we don't really get all the plot details in it at all, but I'm just excited.

I'm obviously a big Ghostface fan, so

Liam Heffernan: yeah. And so I guess what, what would be, uh, you're kind of runners up in terms of favorite horror?

havior, two I'll even the new: 2018

I do love the conjuring universe. I even really enjoyed it. Chapter one and chapter two. I know what you did last time. All the 90 slashes, I was a big, you know, I would just go to the cinema. I was like 18, 19, and they all released. And I think I've watched every single flasher stroke, horror film in the cinema.

So I do my favorite genre.

Liam Heffernan: Definitely. Yeah, it will say there's a definite kind of slasher theme in your, in your preferences. Yeah.

Amar Karim: Yeah. My, my, uh, my wife was like, you know, there's, there's something about you. I should know. I'm like, no, it's not a strike or anything. So like, like Billy says, you know, um, they make psychos more creative that will create cycles.

So thankfully, and I'll be

Liam Heffernan: all right. Yeah. Okay. Well, this brings us on to, uh, what is your least favorite film of all time? So

he hype at the time. And it's: 1999

I mean, that could even go with all the boys loved Mandy lane. It's a slasher again, but the reason I've chosen the Blair witch project is because for me, yeah, I get that. They were, it was, it was a new concept and you know, it, it had all the hype and it was great. But I remember watching it in a cinema and thinking a there's nothing much happening.

And I realized from that film that I suffer from motion sickness where I can't play stuff like call of duty anymore. Um, but at the end of the film, when they were running around, I actually got out of the cinema to the left and my friends thought I was scared. I thought I was actually going to be physically.

So it just didn't do anything for me. I don't think the camera did anything and we'll think the film was over hyped and you know, I get that, it's got this cult status, but I just think it's it's so over-hyped, it's

Liam Heffernan: unbelievable. Yeah. See, I actually quite, quite enjoy the Blair witch project, but I completely agree with you that when you build such a massive hype frame for a film, it needs to deliver.

They created this well, they sold it as basically a slasher film. Bunch of kids go into the woods and get killed. But Zen considering that this is over 20 years old, now I'm not going to worry too much about putting a splitter in here because the, the actual slasher element of the film only really comes at the very, very.

Amar Karim: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And even then, there's just a lot of screaming and running around and I get the last image was pretty spooky when he stood in the corner, not in, you know, and it obviously cause you know, the story of the Blair witch, but I mean, I didn't see the ending until it came on like DVD because I actually left the scene.

And the funny thing is the same day we, we were cinema buffs. Um, the same day we got free tickets for a screening of the sixth sense. So in what's the Blair witch project, calm myself down. I had a couple of hours in the same group of friends went to watch that. And in comparison, I thought that was a masterpiece.

So, you know, I think that's why I don't think any of which is like, but you know, anyone that loves that good for them.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah. And, um, you know, I think there's definitely a contrast. I think my dog's got something to say about this as well.

I think, you know, I, I'm not a big Shymalan and fan, but I do think his early stuff where it was a bit of a masterclass in how to build suspense and then do a complete kind of. Like curve at the end and I'm twisting. And the Blair witch project I think was trying to, it wasn't even a twist. Was it? It was just, it was building up to this big crescendo that never quite delivered.

Yeah.

Amar Karim: That's how I see it

Liam Heffernan: though. I do think it was, it was, I still enjoy the film by I get that. I don't think that's a hugely controversial choice because it is, it's a slow burner. Isn't it? As far as.

Amar Karim: It is. And to be honest with you, surprisingly, I can give films a chance. I've never switched a film off halfway, even if it's a Bismark.

So I was thinking there must be something at the end and obviously people have worked on films, but for me, that's just, and, and I, and again, I showed that because of the hype and how popular it is and how much money it made based on this budget. So that's the main reason I went with that

Liam Heffernan: one yet. Fair enough.

Um, so next question for you. Uh, which film or TV character do you most relate to? And why? So have

Amar Karim: you seen. Yep. Yep. So Jack from lost now I've chosen him and I think I'm very similar to him. Not because I have all the leadership qualities that he seems to, to portray when he, you know, when he, when he's facing the decision.

But what I like about Jack and what I think I have in me is that he keeps going, you know, he doesn't give up on humanity. Uh, he gets emotional. If people are dying around him, not that people are dying around me, but I think that I relate to people quite a lot. So, you know, I, um, I latch on, um, and, and, and, and the good thing about Jackie's, he might not always be right, but if he believes he's doing the right thing, then he'll do it, you know?

And so I, when I was watching it, I think, I think at the time he was, there was a scene where he was just emotional and I was an emotional wreck and I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm the same as him. I'm sure. Not always right. But I try. So I think he's the one that popped out at me. I mean, most people, if you ask most people, they're like you almost Zander from birth Easter.

Okay. But yeah, the traits of the traits of Jack from last, I believe I have, or the are similar to mine.

Liam Heffernan: And I guess a bit of a side question here then, cause lost has a big ensemble. If you, if you were on the desert islands, like who would, who would you be? Who would you kill fast?

Amar Karim: I would, oh, what's his name?

The one that Jack clashes with, is it John? No, not John. The bald guy. I forgot his name now.

Liam Heffernan: Oh yeah. John Locke. John

Amar Karim: Locke. Yeah. I used to find John Locke's decisions would annoy me quite a bit. Maybe that's why I like Jack actually, because they clashed all the time. And I remember, I mean, obviously that to the portraits and it was brilliant, but I remember going through the old six season and I thought he, he was the one that irritated me the

Liam Heffernan: most.

Yeah, I get that. I get that. And very important question. As we're on the subject of lost, what were your thoughts on the final.

Amar Karim: I was a bit disappointed. I mean, I was just like all six seasons just for that, you know, I mean, I still accepted it because I spent six years watching it and even got all the DVDs up here, but it disappointed me a little to be honest.

And it was halfway through the three, I think at the end of the third season, I was like, I hope it's not going to go in that direction. I think it's going to go. And that's what they did. So I was just like, yeah, it's bit of a cheat way out to be honest.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah, it did feel like a bit of a cop-out and I think it was just such an easy way to explain all the staff over the last six years that they didn't really have an answer.

Amar Karim: No. Well, I remember at the time reading something and they said that at the time, the, the, the writers or the producers were only supposed to have three seasons from, because it was so popular. They were like, well, let's extend this. And every time I was like, well, do you even know where it's going? And I don't think they did.

I really don't think they're like, yeah, let's just throw this in. It kind of makes everything okay. So it was, it was possibly one of the biggest, final episode disappointments of all time, but I've come to accent.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah, I, again, I think it's one of those just overhyped, because I remember my dad woke up at about 5:00 AM or whatever time it was being.

Cause, cause they synced the, uh, the broadcast with the American premier as well. Didn't I remember. And he got up early, watched it live. And, uh, at that point, I remember my, my interest was like fading a little bit in the show. I was sort of catching the odd episode here and there, which probably wasn't very conducive to enjoy again.

But yeah, by specifically did watch that last episode and thought SPIVA let down, you see

Amar Karim: the only time. Got up or to watch something that was added at the same time as America was the game of Thrones. Finally. And I had a very, very similar sentiment to that as well. So let's not, let's not get into there because I have my opinions on that last episode.

So there's loads of shows like that, where they, they kind of disappoint you and it's, it's unfortunate because you spent invest so much time with them.

Liam Heffernan: Game of Thrones is a particular bugbear of mine, uh, because, uh, I thought we'd catch up on all the hype because everyone was going mad for the last season and we just sort of avoided it because it felt like a big commitment.

We literally spent a month of our lives, binging game of Thrones from start to finish. We, I think we caught up by the time about midway through the last series and then all of that effort, all of that time for what they then did in the last episode, it was like, ah, come on.

Amar Karim: No, I was, I was just, even though people are saying to me, well, it would have been too obvious.

I was rooting for the scenarios all the way through it. And they, they, they betrayed her character so much. I was like, no, no, not having this. So, you know, I mean, I won't degrade them in the sense that they still spent a lot of money on it and I don't hate it as much with people do like, oh, let's refilm it.

No, but yeah, I was, I was, I was upset,

Liam Heffernan: but at that way, I think a lot of people were. So are they, oh, they're doing a pre-qual on night actually.

Amar Karim: Yeah. I saw T the trailer friend. It does look good, but I'm going to, I think I'm going to just hold out for a bit.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah. Yeah. I think any, any excitement that there would have been as has been significantly stemmed by the last series?

Yeah. But, okay. Next question. If your life was to be turned into a film, what genre would it be and who will.

Amar Karim: Surprisingly, actually my life would be drama. It really would. You know, I mean, if you think EastEnders has drama, you don't know anything about my life. I mean, it just comes to being Asian. I can only go with a certain amount of people, I think, from what I seen on interviews and how this guy is in-person I think re-haul Callie that's in, um, blind manner and eyes-on B she definitely would, would, would play.

But because he's like six foot four and I'm only like five, eight, that's probably not going to work. So I'll have to go read that rhythm and I'm afraid he seems to be slightly shorter, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, I try, I try to be happy, but there's always something going on. So definitely drama, something new everyday twists and turns, but you've got to stay positive.

So one of those two guys definitely

Liam Heffernan: resolvement is a solid choice, but I think nowadays they could do a bit of fancy editing and CGI and get that height difference.

Amar Karim: Oh, yeah, definitely. I need to be honest with you. If they want it to make a film or TV show in my life, I'm like, excuse me, keep it me instead.

I'll I'll play myself,

Liam Heffernan: but yeah. Yeah. Those two guys, a good. And what would be the kind of big moment in the, in the field? What, what would be that, that huge point in your life? That would be the biggest. Uh, the biggest

Amar Karim: draw is, um, the first time I managed to stay, no two people. I know that sounds just very boring, but there was the drama that ensued after that.

It was just. You know, an iconic sequence in any TV show, you know, it was just full of drama and noise. Not saying that my life is just full of drama, but, uh, yeah, there was just something, everybody else, the look of shock and everybody's eyes. And I was like, you know what, I'm living for myself. So. Yeah. I mean, nothing surprising, nothing major has happened.

Like I haven't, you know, robbed a bank or there's no serial killer after me or anything like that. So no alien invasion, but yeah, I mean, I thought, I thought horror and serial killer would be too obvious, but now that I think about it, yeah. It'd be something very simple, but a proper shock moment for the audience at least.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah. W we'll you, we always quite, um, uh, today if shy is the right word, but w do you consider yourself more of a. Surprisingly.

Amar Karim: No, I think. Quite outgoing, but my problem was, and I don't know why this is when I was growing up. I would just say yes to everyone. Not because I wanted them to be my friend. It was more like, I didn't want to disappoint people.

And then it comes to a point where you say yes to five people, you're going to have to let someone down. And they're like, oh, you're on reliable. So I thought right. And reach us out my life. So yeah. Yeah. When people first meet me, they say you're very shy. And then they get to know me in the light. We wish you were still.

So,

Liam Heffernan: um, so what is your most nostalgic? The Goonies?

Amar Karim: The Google is definitely great. Yeah. When I first saw it, I must've, I think it released in 85, so I was five or slightly year after I was six. And I think. 10 years up until scream came out in 96. I w I used to believe I was doing Easter. We used to go into, I was saying to my children, I was like, you guys don't know what fun is.

You know, you're on the phone. You're in YouTube and Netflix. We would go out. We would go into, that's why I love stranger things so much. It reminds me of when we were children and how. Go out and I'll BMX and explore and fall down and find a quarry. And God knows what. So Goonies was definitely a part of the, you know, it inspired us as friends to go out and look for treasure, which we never found, you know, still looking for it.

So, yeah, definitely. I mean, even now when it comes on, I will sit down and just watch it. I'll put it on, on purpose sometimes.

Liam Heffernan: So that's, that's an incredible choice. I love the Goonies and yeah. So all I was, I was born in 86. So, um, the is came out just before I was born, but it was still one of those. It was still one of the biggest films for kids.

Um, as, as I got older and I have exactly the same kind of sentiment towards is you, you know, I was out every night with my friends and there was, I could, yeah, I could still watch the Goonies down and just still wish that we'd stumbled across some treasure cave with the partnership.

Amar Karim: There's one out there.

We need to go looking for it. I'm sure this one, I definitely, definitely will find it. Well, we're about 70. We're like, oh, it can't run after that treasure now, but yeah, it's such a great film, you know? It was so it was just so brilliant. Everything about it, the soundtrack, the characters. It's

Liam Heffernan: so good. Yeah, it was, um, it was spooked by did he direct,

Amar Karim: would you stay?

I think Richard Donner directed it. I sound correct. The guy that did supermom. Um, which

Liam Heffernan: is just, oh

Amar Karim: yeah, definitely. And it has that Spielberg vibe. And like I said, you know, the, uh, the soundtrack is brilliant, you know, upbeat and it's got some great villains, you know? Uh, so my mom was hilarious, so

Liam Heffernan: yeah. Ah, yeah.

You bringing back memories. I love the Goonies and I wasn't expecting that answer, but it's, it's just so feel good. And I was just thinking Spielberg. Even if you look at his latest stuff, the stuff that's more tailored towards families, like, um, I say latest polar express was a while back now. And, um, Tintin, there's still those vibes.

You watch them and there's still like, the Goonies was just it's. So Seminole that even he's still using a lot of the same techniques you've used in that. Well, I

Amar Karim: think obviously he's realized it was a winning formula, so he needs to embed that in his films and the polar express. Again, I think that should have got more credit than it deserves.

And I think it's a great film and even Tintin, it was meant to be a new trilogy. So I believe, but I don't think it did as well as they wanted. So that's probably why they didn't make the sequel, but it's great. It's such a good.

Liam Heffernan: Yeah. Maybe kids of today, just where I think Spielberg is starting to become a director of his time and of our generation, because I don't feel like the stuff that he does now when he steps out of the kind of war film, which he seems to be very entrenched in now, um, when he steps out of that and does something more family oriented, it doesn't just have the same impact as it did when he made it.

When we were kids. And I just wonder if that's, because he's just, he found a way to touch a nerve for our generation. It's not quite translating.

Amar Karim: No, I don't think it is. And I think also, you know, cause we were younger. We, we believed in that world a lot more. I think kids, they just, um, desensitized to so much that they don't believe in that fantasy world.

And as a kid, you want it to be part of that world. I think for me anyway, you know, and that's why even hook, you know, I remember the adults, you know, degrading hook. I used to think it was brilliant. You know, Robin Williams, what's not to like, you know, It was great. So I do love, um, and surprisingly, well, not surprisingly, but I've.

I said to my children, my youngest three, one said to me, couple years ago, they said films in your year. Must've been your era. It must've been really boring. So I was very, I was very offended. So, and in locked down, we've done that with. All the classics and my eldest, I can see why your child who is great.

He watched labyrinth and Willow and all kinds of film. And he's like, these are actually really good. And I'm like, yes, they are. So we had a great childhood. I think

Liam Heffernan: we, we absolutely did. And I think the film that, that seems to get lost, um, but to me, just really defines a point in my childhood is the never-ending story.

Oh,

Amar Karim: oh my God. That was one that I made my daughter. I say I've made my dosa watch about two months ago and we were going through all of them and she's like, I've seen them all. She's taught at the police and I, it just clicked. And I went, whoa. And I said, never-ending story is one of the films that I bawled my eyes out.

You know, we've seen them talking about. Yeah, I was just, and then my daughter, Karen, and she goes, that was awful. Why did you make me watch it? I'm like eight to have the same impact. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Great film. Absolutely

Liam Heffernan: brilliant. Yeah, I will, I will argue to the death. The, the millennial, uh, films were second to none and I will never be challenged on that.

Nope. So, final question. What is your guilty pleasure?

Amar Karim: Okay. So with guilty pleasure. I mean, I don't really believe in the term as such. I always feel that if you like something, you like something or like music, I love as you listen to any of my, like a mix tape that I had, it would have everything. RMB or even rock like that.

So my film chase is usually like quite varied, even though I say horror all the time. But if I had to just go with the term guilty pleasure, then I would have to say Disney films. And I mean, animated, Disney films, you know, post the nineties era stuff like bolt and Mohana and big hero sticks. I mean, technically people will say to me now they're like, oh, you're 14 plus.

And why are you watching films? Uh, winking and saying, yeah, I'm taking my child to the cinema to watch it, but for me, you know, so, but now, you know, I can, again, through lockdown, we, we caught up on a lot of stuff and I watched stuff like, um, an American tale, uh, you know, from Gurley. And I know they're not Disney, but they've got that nostalgic feel.

So if I went Disney, stro, 80, the animation, there we go, nineties. Yeah, I do.

Liam Heffernan: So now I'm, I'm with you on, on the whole Disney thing. And I think particularly you see it more in maybe Pixar films, but I think all Disney films, they kind of, they knew very early on that in order to get people into the cinema, they had to appeal to the parents just as much as the kids.

And there's always this crazy like subtext underneath the main narrative that is. That's so deep, like,

Amar Karim: well, you're right. Pixar, definitely the masters of it, you know, w w from toy story, even up to, to the most recent one, I think it was Luca may be, but ope was a prime example of that. You know, the first, first 10 minutes is hardly any speech.

And just watching that the cinema and my son was quite young then. And I was just like, wow, what am I watching here? And he looked, and he did it, get it at first. And then. Where's his wife gone. And I was like, right. Uh, let me explain what just happened there. They do it really well. And Disney obviously do it and that's, what's great about them.

They have to appeal. I mean, some of the jokes, the kids don't even get, they're just laughing at the slapstick element of it. And then the adults are laughing because they understand the joke and think you've got to be, you know, have good writers and directors to, to master that. So.

Liam Heffernan: Definitely. Yeah, I think, um, yeah, Pixar is brilliant inside out, I think is an absolute master class in how to create a film that appeals to literally every.

Amar Karim: So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was saying to Ryan actually, um, because of Ryan, I joined this app call letterbox only because I could review it and you can put a list of all your favorite films and they would look at people's lists and, you know, everyone's entitled to their own opinion obviously. And someone had put a list of their.

Pixar films in order and their bottom five were inside out up. Totally story three, which for me is great. Uh, the Incredibles and, and it was something else. And I was horrified and I was like, how can they be your bottom five? They're like my top five, you know? So I went and I went, I'll kill you. So I went and did a little less than inside.

I was a classic, you know, it's just for me, it's 10 out of 10 really is.

Liam Heffernan: Absolutely. I do think that when it comes to ranking Pixar films, the bar is just so damn high. Like there's in anyone's bottom five. There's going to be a very like highly contestable choice.

Amar Karim: Yeah. Well, you see w this is what I was saying to my son.

Again, I keep mentioning them because they look at what I do and they're like, there are little interesting. And even his choice is different to mine, but we both agreed that our bottom three were exactly the same, not less. I only think that picks up possibly made two bad films. The rest are perfect or almost perfect.

So,

Liam Heffernan: yeah. Yeah. They've just got the formula down to an absolute T haven't they? Um, yeah. Great choice. Uh, so I guess before we let you go, uh, firstly, thank you so much again for joining me on the podcast. It's been great. Thank you for having me. And if anyone did want to connect with you, where can they find ya?

You can find me

Amar Karim: on Twitter. It's at, uh, markering, which is a M a R K a R I M. And you'll just see me on the, just chatting about, mainly about films, Buffy acting, TV shows you name it, maybe throw the other picture of my child in or complain about not getting enough sleep. So, uh, if you want to follow up.

Yeah, definitely

Liam Heffernan: do awesome. Well, it's been great chatting to you and no doubt we'll do a sequel at some point in the. I hope so.

cheers, Emma. Thank you. See ya. That's it for this week of the Friday film club. Thanks for listening. And remember you can rate and review us on all good podcast platforms. Also do reach out to us on social media at the Frye film club on Twitter, Instagram, and. And if you want to be a guest in a future episode, do drop us a message on social media or email Liam at half-court dot com.

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